references to the marblecake fallout

" POST NBR 1 - summarizing the claims (add to that list the claim of stealth
editing (editing of posts by mods without the knowledge and consent of the
poster)):
http://forums.enturbulation.org/371429-post121/

POST NBR 2 - more on the SP list or miserable users hack (please note that
this is a description of the hack, not necessarily what was implemented on
Enturb.)
http://forums.enturbulation.org/371345-post80/

POST NBR 3 - Finally everything (almost) came back to order. TD was
restored. The SP list (miserable users hack) canceled. the responsible mods
demoted, and a script was added to note when and if a post is being edited
by someone else. The following post summarize the end situation, points to
the resolution and to the remaining problems to address.
http://forums.enturbulation.org/372084-post411/ "

January 26, 2011, grumpus:
" Don't get me wrong; I don't think anyone owes themselves to any issue or cause they don't want to be part of. This is all volunteer work, after all. And I never expected Chanology to remain at the level it began. Gregg is right to point out that everything changes. I will always be grateful for what Chanology brought (and still brings) to the fight. It was unprecedented. Even if everyone who came around then went away it will always have been a beautiful thing. And they WON'T all go away; many will stay and I think that whatever Chanology is will never be totally dead. Pulses have merged in many ways, as the original video also predicted.

" But I do have the feeling that the rather unfocused, ill-considered "Freedom of Information" stuff (and there's more I'll say on this later) has been artificially forced to the forefront by a few - including monopolizing the entry page - and is muddling the message for people who come to the site due to getting the url from anti-Scientology protests and critics. "

January 27, 2011, N.A.T.E.:
" Funny, I remember Gregg being in marblecake and then coming up with WWP to recentralize this thing after Enturb went down. In 2008 we had marblecake (which Gregg was in) and in 2010 we still have marblecake (Which Gregg is still in). And if we didn't still have Marblecake why is this guy always on the phones to people who he perceives as "leaders" of their local cells to try to convince them to join him in his FoI campaign. You know, I remember you when you would fight for freedonia, not kiss the ambassador's asshole while he rapes it of its splendor. "

references to #marblecake and Gregg Housh

" @opbacktrace marblecake was an inner circle of ego fags that got shit done in chanology. they got outed as ego fags. everyone moved on #2008 "

" >I though Chanologists were by definition from 4chan?

" Gregg Housh and some people who hung out in #marblecake got a bug up their ass about scientology and got 711Chan to troll /b/ into the DDoS after Gregg released the Tom Cruise video and it kept getting pulled down
Gregg and Mark Bunker then made the now infamous "declaration" video
Marblecake and the retarded moonbats from OCMB then went to every internet outlet on earth
and organized the world wide protests
most "Channers" quit after that because it went from a fun troll into a "cause"

there you go "

" There was, however, a lack of organization. So on January 17, Housh and four other Anons broke off into a separate channel that they specifically created to discuss press strategies. “A few people were saying that there should be a press release,” says Housh. “There were five of us at that point, and one guy said he was a writer, one was a proofreader, and I had some good ideas for structure. We started pounding it out, and by the end it looked more like a video script than a press release. Then the other two guys said they were into video and had the tools, and one of them said they had some creepy cloud footage. The next thing you know, we have ‘Message to Scientology’ up on YouTube on the 21st.” "

" With users separated into dozens of geographic groups by locale — including London, Boston, Tokyo, and Southern California — one member of the original press group (who has remained anonymous) reportedly realized that there was potential to take the project to another level if they could mobilize manpower off line. “We were just screwing with the Scientologists because it was fun to screw with them,” says Housh. “But one guy was saying that, if we actually did something and the organization really went somewhere, then we’ve changed the face of activism on this planet for good.” "

" Jeroen is an old Anon, the leader of Housh's "marblecake" club. owns a bunch of porn and torrent sites. His BFF is Ryan. "

" Gregg has managed to remove most references to marblecake but if you search hard enough you can find the traces. Best bet is to find the people who were there, some of them are still around, ask januszeal for example about marblecake and Gregg, ask rox and swell, hell find the old thunderdome people and ask them, we all remember what happened. Find TakeAnonMe he knows too. this shit was common knowledge in 08/09 "

April 18, 2008, Consensus:

" Many months ago, just after the feb 10th protests, a massive e-mail list was compiled with about 27k e-mail addresses of editors and high-profile journalists. That list was not handed out to anonymous as a whole, because that list is to be used for strategic press releases.

" There was a bit of a (minor) power struggle between (the now defunct) #marblecake (who were incredibly valuable in the early days of our movement) and the enturbulation moderators with respect to how press releases are to be made. Marblecake had made many of our most-viewed videos, and wanted to script our press releases too. Some of us on enturbulation wanted the press releases to be made open-source on the forums, emphasizing our transparency.

" Some of each went out. Thankfully the person in possession of the 27k list is fairly diplomatic and worked in the interest of the Anonymous movement, and not in the interest of either #marblecake or the enturbulation mods (who can be a bit controlling and secretive themselves from time to time, though we actively try not to).

" There are anons who are journalists, who professional design press releases for companies, who are high-up in high-profile companies, and so on. They are using their resources to our advantage, and not all of them have the luxery of sharing their resources with us openly. We still welcome their help.

" So yeah. Anonymous is open-source. Anonymous is transparent. Anonymous tries to share resources and de-emphasize the importance of any individual. Anonymous has no leaders.

" But when it comes to our active PR campaigns and directly interracting with journalists, CEOs, and so on... sometimes an all-out spam campaign isn't the best strategy. We have people in contact with those we need to be in contact with. I'm inclined to take their advice in how we can help them. Right now, they're telling us to be patient, and to keep the pressure on at youtube and google fax numbers, e-mail addresses and phone numbers. Make our existence known, make our persistence known. And let those people behind the scenes do their thing. "

May 16, 2008, Consensus:

" Would it be useful to start an invite-only #presscorps channel on IRC? Obviously if we did, we'd still want to be transparent, rather than secretive (like Marblecake, who tried to be Anon's PR division, but underestimated the degree to which Anon would want to oversee such projects). "

July 13, 2008, AthlAnon8888:

" "Marblecake/Enturb Drama"

" Who gives a shit?! Enturb isn't my boss, and isn't the only place I go for news, and lemme tell you, life beyond the Thunderdome is pretty goddamn sweet.

" And even if Marblecake was responsible for most of the origins of the Chanology project, and manipulated certain poll results, I'm not their stooge. I choose to be active in this for my own reasons, reasons I've carried with me for damn near six to seven years. You don't have to go along with what they want. I didn't go along with the Spy Vs. Sci theme because it made no sense.

" So a few of the main motivators got a huge e-boner and got hunger for power? Big deal, it happens. I choose not to acknowledge them. They're getting bit in the ass for it now, but that should not have an effect this movement. We're no one's sheep. We've never been. We've always had free will. "

September 13, 2008, Whanonstler:

" A few you know what is in store for Monday, and the less said the better. I will post what happened here. I hate to be all marblecake about it, but there is just no way we can let the cat out of the bag yet. "

April 6, 2008, authanon:

" Sage.

" Possible moralfags/#marblecake trying to make shit up to whip Anon into defiance? "

July 29, 2008:
" TO ALL ANONYMOUS, EX-SCIENTOLOGISTS AND ALL WITH AMBITION TO RULE.

" Anonymous, though many of them are young, are intelligent, independent individuals with a lot of logic and steam, can proceed with their actions with OG or without them.
" No one can, should or will dictate or govern Anons. This incredible phenomenon called Anonymous works well without self appointed leaders or models to follow.
...
" Can someone limit free speech among Anonymous? - NO!
Should people with useful experience share it with Anons? Yes.
Do Anons have to follow these advises? NO.
It is Anonymous choice, it is their fight and they deserve all the support we can give them. "

April 20, 2008, Anon?:

" Transparency in Anonymous makes it safe. I've seen enough Superman episodes where kryptonite stopped existing and Star Trek episodes where Q gives people powers to know no one is above corruption. And the last thing i want is to try to puppet master my way into a MarbleCake situation. "

June 22-23, 2008 post about continued community unsettlement over marblecake

December 18, 2008, NoMoreDisconnects:
" Marblecake came up with one monthly protest theme: Operation Reconnect in April.

" The other idea for a theme they came up with, Operation: Psychout, was not received well. "

August 22, 2008, Consensus:
" At the time the bomb threat vid came out, Scientology had never heard of #Marblecake. Now, not all anon vids came from marblecake, not by a long shot... but marblecake made many of the major videos, many of the 'high quality' ones (and independent anons who made high quality vids were often recruited into marblecake). Since that time, marblecake has been completely outted, with full logs available. It is patently clear to ANYBODY who wants to spend the time researching that Marblecake was NOT involved in that video, and did not know about it until it was posted (at which point Enturb reported it to the FBI and had it taken down from youtube). "

June 23, 2008 discussion of marblecake and the enturbulation mods' SP list

October 8, 2008, moonsofblood:

" Dude. I was one of the five who created chanology. I personally had a hand in the declaration of war video. I sat in marblecake for almost a year. And you know what? I haven't thought about it since july. It's over. It's been killed. We had goals and were attempting things, but again too many people saw it as another cool club to join in on, and ways to be cool on the internet, except now "ZOMG IRL."

" This is thread necrophelia on the level of what I'd expect of wog. "

December 14, 2010, g3k_:
" It's kind of funny when people are saying "this isn't the official account of Anonymous" when they claim it's also an organization with no leadership structure. "The fact is that Anonymous don’t have any kind of leaders. Operation Payback has an oficcial account, not Anonymous." This is like, "please listen to us, we're a collective group of anonymous people with no leadership!" but "hey don't listen to that guy, he's not officially part of our anonymous collective group!"

" True. There is always leadership in Anonymous. When I was involved with the Chanology crap, there was a bunch of people pulling the strings that called themselves Marblecake. The idea that they are a loose collective is stupid, but they have an image to uphold. Would you rather be portrayed as a loose mass of gnashing teeth full of anger and retribution, or as a bunch of idiots who follow orders from basically unknown people like clockwork? "

IRC discussion of marblecake in early Chanology

" Google "project pm barrett brown" and you will see some shit that will make your blood boil, this shit is marblecake 3.0 "

June 24, 2008:
"http://thedome.freehostia.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=40&p=404&hilit=puppet+accounts"
" Every single protest theme other then battle toads has been created by a small group of users called “Marble Cake”.Marble Cake is a set of individuals that believe they are “leaders” of Anonymous.Enturbulation.org staff including YourMom are apart of this group. Enturb deliberately looked over the fact that they use sock puppet accounts to falsely make it look like the hive agrees with whatever project they devise.2. OCMB v2.0.Ever notice how everyone speaks of Scilon “crimes”? Why? Why the shit do we care what crimes they’ve done to their members? In comparison to other “belief” systems or “religions” I’d have to say there have been others that have done far worst genocide and criminal actions. Wasn’t Chanology about the censorship of the internet? Freedom of speech? Freedom of religion?When did we lose sight of this?All I read on Enturb is propaganda driven by fear and hearsay. Why would we resort to tactics of a group that has FAILED to dismantle the cult for over 20 years? Why should we listen to those that created the problem we are now attempting to resolve?Important information, feedback, and dialogue with ex-cult members is one thing… playing into their sad soppy tale is another. This is a majority of what Enturb has become.All very disappointing realizations.Fuck Enturbulation.org – Me. "

October 2008: dissension at enturbulation.org

" Seven months later massive drama was unleashed when Enturbulation went down in late September. Details of the event can be found Here. It was then that Daemon and I conspired with the core of MarbleCake: Gregg, Alter, and da5id. They would provide a server, Daemon and I would provide the database. A week later WhyWeProtest was born again with the Enturbulation database. The natural continuance of LE and Tamphax's idea. Of the eight Enturbulation administrators, only two remained: Poppins and Daemon. "

" Today, February 10th, 2009 I have been stripped of my Administrator's title and abilities by da5id. I received notice by way of a skype message: "

...

" Nonetheless, when WhyWeProtest was created it was agreed that there would be a more diplomatic approach to handling issues. Everyone had had enough of LE's "It's my website" mentality. I no longer see this diplomatic approach being taken with WhyWeProtest. Two out of five admins decided to boot two other admins. It's hard to see a 40% majority as being diplomatic. "

2010-06-24, Kawphy (aka Consensus):
" As for moderating... I have a great deal of respect for moderators. I don't see them as 'authority figures', I see them as Janitors. Actually, I made that argument on enturbulation.org back in '08, and since then 4chan has started referring to their mods AS 'janitors.'

" I was a mod & admin at Enturb from its inception until one admin stole the server, drove off, and suddenly Gregg resurrected the database as whyweprotest.net. When 4chan declared war on Scientology, a number of somethingawful goons (including myself) set up enturb as a treefort for chanologists to work out of. Before long, I was invited into Marblecake (http://www.buzzfeed.com/reddit/also-the-work-of-4chan-pic), the chanology 'foco' (http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/globalguerrillas/2008/03/starting-an-ope.html).

" Early in Chanology, I started a small project. I had a friend in politics, a communications director, who had a list of e-mails for local journalists, editors, and politicians. Basically, there are a couple companies that compile and maintain a global list of contacts, then lease out chunks of the list to rich people who want to send out press releases - politicians, corporations, etc. The list is seeded with a few fake e-mail addresses, so anyone that uses it 'without authorization' can be found out by the company and sued into the ground.

" I got a hold of my friend's chunk of the list, and invited other users to share any chunks they have access to. I reverse-engineered the master-list. I had people tweaking the list, cutting addresses that don't fit and adding addresses that we want to get our press releases to. Professors. Journalists. Media figures.

" Gregg set up an e-mail server that could send press releases to this list (which contained tens of thousands of addresses). We hacked our way into mainstream media. They didn't listen at first, but when you pull off a global protest with over 10k participants, people start to pay attention. When you get significant results, people pay attention. When you're weird and unique, people pay attention.

" When the economic crisis hit, I convinced Gregg to created 'economicturningpoint.org', a forum designed to help the Cognitive Surplus (read some Clay Shirky, trust me) have greater influence in analyzing and repairing the damage caused by the credit crisis. It was way ahead of it's time, and the site failed. When the Green Revolution began in Iran, Gregg and I created iran.whyweprotest.net, which played a significant role in what still turned out to be a failed revolution.

" When that man self-immolated in Tunisia at the end of last year, Anonymous offered support. They hacked government websites and displayed a message of solidarity. A few weeks later, the government had fallen. By then, #opegypt was already rolling out. These operations have preceded every revolution that has occurred this year (except ivory coast, I think, but it's kind've a special case).

" Now, Marblecake was long defunct by last December, but I still keep in occasional contact with some of the ol' boys. I found out - before the infamous 'day of rage' - that a few of my old Marblecake Friends had put together some fliers for Egypt based on our work in Chanology. They wrote them in pastebin, got a graphics designer to make 'em look pretty (Anonymous has always had incredible graphics design work), then they went to Wael Ghonim's facebook page and found native Egyptians to translate them into Arabic and begin distributing them. Here's an article about the fliers -
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2011/01/egyptian-activists-action-plan-translated/70388/

" The fliers include instructions on how to amass in a major square without getting turned away by strategically positioned riot cops. The strategy is to form a dozen or more smaller 'flash-raids', then have them converge simultaneously.

" The people of Cairo did exactly that. And they toppled their dictator. A dictator that was put in place and persistently backed up by the United States Government.

" When HBGary decided to 'out' the 'leaders of Anonymous', some Anons decided to hack their server. http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/02/anonymous-speaks-the-inside-story-of-the-hbgary-hack.ars
They got their entire e-mail database and dumped everything.

" In addition to sharing the .pdf file that contained the information on the 'leaders' of Anonymous (and I was included in that file - I'm 'Consensus'), the e-mails revealed that Bank of America, who were worried about Wikileaks' next big leak, went to the US Justice Department looking for help. They sent 'em to Hunter and Williams, one of the BIG law firms. Hunger and Williams referred them to HBGary. HBGary was working on a plan to illegally target and destroy wikileaks. This is a watergate-style coverup, with total disregard for the law (and constitution) in order to preserve the wealth of the wealthy and the status quo that has all but fallen apart.

" Around the time of the HBGary hack, someone in Marblecake put me in touch with Barrett Brown. We've been chatting since. I've read some reports tying him to lulzsec. I have no evidence, Brown has never confirmed or denied it, I could see it either way. More likely, he is able to communicate with them but has no 'authority' with them or knowledge of them. At least, that's how I'd describe my involvement in Marblecake - I've never hacked anything, I don't break the law online, I just like to discuss philosophy and politics with interested parties.

" Barrett is much the same way. He's a little more aggressive than me at calling for revolution, but there it is.

" I believe the HBGary hack was the same people that are LulzSec. When Anonymous declared war on Sony, they barely had an effect. A month later, PSN was down. Anonymous issued a press release saying 'for once it wasn't us.' Then LulzSec claimed responsibility a week or two after that. It was the first most of you heard of 'em. I'm guessing there's at least one marblecaker in Lulzsec - but I may well be wrong. At this point, I imagine Lulzsec has become yet another open-source brand (just like Anonymous). It wouldn't surprise me if a few people have even gotten nicked, and it wouldn't surprise me if the hackers have contingency plans for exactly that eventuality (passing, say, access to the twitter feed to the next person in life, etc).

" It's an incredibly complicated story that is entwined with many of the major events of the last 3 years. I've half a mind to write a book, but nobody would read it. "

" What I can detail are his stories about the initial days of Chanology. What most people don’t know, especially those currently in the movement, is that the massive outpouring of support on 4chan and other Anonymous strongholds, was entirely faked. As 4chan founder m00t detailed on his blog in 2008, Gregg and two 4chan mods faked the positive support by ‘smurfing’ accounts through various proxies, along with deleting all dissenting opinions until several days into the discussion, creating a false perception of nigh unanimous support from the internet collective. Not even those within the original thread (now lost in the forgotten places of the internet), realized the farce playing out before them. Most on the ground floor of the movement generally accepted the notion of taking on Scientology as a joke. What they may not realize however is how elaborate the joke was, and that much of the joke was actually on Anonymous, not simply on the media and Scientology.

" After consensus within Anonymous was essentially manufactured, the first ‘accident’ happened, in that vast portions of the collective bought into the deception, and began to attack and crash Scientology’s website. Within hours of Mark ‘Wise Beard Man’ Bunker‘s address to Anonymous, where the idea to legitimately protest the cult was laid out, Gregg and his team, which had grown into the secret group later dubbed ‘Marblecake’, designed the first 5 protests, all of the themes, websites (the now-defunct Enturbulation.org), and other planning all completed within a matter of weeks, all before the first fateful February 10, 2008 worldwide picket. Gregg describes this, unsurprisingly, as a lot of hard work, as his tiny yet powerful group scrambled to put on the best show possible for the audience they had amassed.

" In short, the vast explosion of creativity seemingly generated by the collective was actually a carefully orchestrated plan by a small handful of deviously creative trolls who saw this as their opportunity to make their mark on the internet and society. When Marblecake was exposed and accused of manufacturing consent and crushing dissent towards their agenda, there was a massive backlash just before the April 12, 2008 Operation: Reconnect protest, and Chanology saw a sharp decrease in numbers. Anonymous, as a rule, hates the idea of being led, and those who jumped onboard the movement felt like Chanology had betrayed two of its basic principles: Anonymous has no leaders, and censorship is the ultimate evil.

" Upon asking Gregg about this, he defended Marblecake, claiming that the incidents on Enturbulation sparking the uprising were isolated, and not systemic by any stretch of the imagination. While some may have viewed their perceived lack of openness as disturbing, the mark Gregg and his group had on the movement is undeniable, and that it still rolls on, however diminished in numbers and energy, is remarkable.

" Chanology has evolved from a sudden internet phenomenon into a steady presence outside of Scientology’s buildings and alongside the myriad of old and new public detractors and victims of the church’s abuse, one that has clearly moved beyond its Anonymous roots. Gregg, in his ruminations and within the context of the types of people Chanology has attracted, asked me why they chose to start this on 4chan?

" To me, the answer is plain: it would have never worked anywhere else, and what we see before us is the result of 4chan’s culture being dragged from the basement into real life, where it cannot and was never meant to survive. "

" A recent drama-bomb dropped on enturbulation.org (ably summarised for the confused here) proves the aphorism that a "leaderless group" in fact means "a group where leadership is secret or not acknowledged". ... Best to see #marblecake as a "political party" or "faction" within Chanology. It's a good thing, by the way, that Anonymous has grown its own leadership groups, rather than continuing to take the advice of the "Old Guard" (who, in general, are a little bit off the pace of what constitutes vibrant cultural activism in the 21st century). "

June 26, 2008:
" There have been rumors going around that Marblecake are still active.

" Alledgedly, they have contected people in the hivemind to convince everyone they should be allowed to continue doing what they were doing.

" Supposedly they'd also like some of the more offensive comments from the dox posted so they can respond to them.

" Hypothetically, if Marblecake were to remain active, would it be a problem with Anonymous?

" They made some great videos, but the constant attempts to hijack Anonymous sicken me. "

July 4, 2008, dojo:

" /me snores

" if you look at some of the threads referenced in OP it is pretty clear that many of the projects were frameworks that were set up and Anons asked to make contributions towards [such as the ChanologyPortal], when little or no contributions were offered, there was no "whip cracking" or ordering anons around, the tasks were simply put on a list of things than needed done.

" It is also pretty clear from the threads that "forced consensus" speculation is just that - speculation. Ideas theads received some support, but they were clearly not bombarded with sockpuppet support.

" Contributions / Interaction with marblecake was always on offer. There is no differences between a +i invite irc room [which no longer is the case] ... and individual anons communicating and asking for feedback / support for their ideas through private message or msn/aim chatter.

" quit whining, and indulging in perpetuating gossip and rumour, it is pointless. "

April 15, 2009:
“The first Anonymous video message to Scientology and the first three themes for the protests were cooked up in a collective that has come to be known as marblecake, because of one of the names for irc channels they used. Opinions on this group vary widely. Some consider them a sinister, secretive cabal bent on controlling Anonymous. Others, including participants, portray them as simply a creative collective who brainstormed and came up with good ideas, which were then adopted at large on their own merits because they were good ideas. Critics of the marblecake group, on the other hand, accuse MC of astroturfing and using sock puppets to manufacture support for their ideas, “leaderfagging,” and otherwise being bad in a variety of ways.”