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Google did not infringe Oracle patents -jury >> Reuters
Very important win for Google. A mistrial on certain elements is still feasible, as is an appeal. So this isn't over. But it's half-over.
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6 days ago by guardiantech
Google Inc's Android mobile platform has not infringed Oracle's patents, a California jury decided in a high stakes trial fought by the two Silicon Valley giants over smartphone technology.
Very important win for Google. A mistrial on certain elements is still feasible, as is an appeal. So this isn't over. But it's half-over.
6 days ago by guardiantech
FOSS Patents: Judge holds Google to infringe 8 more Java files >> FOSS Patents was first to publish 6 of them
16 days ago by guardiantech
Florian Müller:
Müller had originally said - in January 2011, 15 months ago - that 6 of those files were copied from Java into Android, and hence must be infringing. Turns out he was right (at least if you think the judge is right. And the judge is, well, a judge.)
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On Friday afternoon by local time, Judge William Alsup, the federal judge presiding over the Oracle v. Google lawsuit in the Northern District of California, entered a judgment as a matter of law (JMOL) overruling the jury (as well as Google's opposition to an Oracle motion for JMOL) with respect to eight decompiled Java files.
Müller had originally said - in January 2011, 15 months ago - that 6 of those files were copied from Java into Android, and hence must be infringing. Turns out he was right (at least if you think the judge is right. And the judge is, well, a judge.)
16 days ago by guardiantech
Groklaw - Google Files for SJ on Copyright Damages; Oracle: Could We Wait and Get a New Jury Instead? ~pj
The problem with Groklaw's analyses is that it imputes motives that just don't exist, and acts as though Google's lawyers are geniuses, and Oracle's are idiots. Given that Oracle's lead attorney is David Boies, who prosecuted the Microsoft antitrust trial in 1998, you'd think its writers would be more conflicted. Apparently not.
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16 days ago by guardiantech
So Oracle has now filed a motion asking for a postponement of phase three of the trial, the damages phase. It would like a new jury, too. It wants to wait to calculate damages until after the judge decides whether APIs are copyrightable, so it can add the 37 API files into the mix for damages, if they are. Maybe then it would have a prayer of getting some money.</p><p>
In short, Oracle woke up and realized it's in a pickle of its own making. It was too clever by half, and now reality has struck. It clearly is worried that if they go to the damages phase now, it will gain a big fat zero in damages. It should have thought of that before it asked for infringer's profits, but there you are.
The problem with Groklaw's analyses is that it imputes motives that just don't exist, and acts as though Google's lawyers are geniuses, and Oracle's are idiots. Given that Oracle's lead attorney is David Boies, who prosecuted the Microsoft antitrust trial in 1998, you'd think its writers would be more conflicted. Apparently not.
16 days ago by guardiantech
Oracle-Google verdict signals need for copyright reform >> InfoWorld
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21 days ago by guardiantech
It's hard to imagine another, similar case on the scale of Oracle versus Google, so it's remarkable that an almost identical one came to resolution in Europe at almost the same time. SAS Institute sued World Programming for copyright infringement in what seems like a much more clear-cut case than Oracle versus Google. World Programming copied the SAS programming environment with the intent of direct competition, yet the court did not find against World Programming.</p><p>
Although the case has nuances, the court was clear that although software itself could be copyrighted, its externalities -- the function it performs, the programming interfaces it exposes, and the data structures it uses -- cannot be. This is entirely reasonable. Without such a division, interoperable technology markets would be impossible.
21 days ago by guardiantech
Google calls for mistrial after jury says Android stole from Java >> Wired Enterprise | Wired.com
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22 days ago by guardiantech
With this paradoxical partial decision, the jury has left the case very much in the air, and Google has already moved for a mistrial.</p><p>
On Monday, as the Google-Oracle case entered its fourth week, a jury ruled that Oracle has proven that Google infringed the overall structure, sequence, and organization of copyrighted works of 37 APIs used by the Java platform. In building Android, Google created a new version of the Java platform known as the Dalvik virtual machine, and this mimicked the Java APIs, or application programming interfaces, which are essentially a way for a Java application to talk to the platform.</p><p>
But the jury was unable to reach a decision on whether Google’s Java clone constituted “fair use.” A fair use decision would let Google off the hook.
22 days ago by guardiantech
My attitude on Oracle v Google >> James Gosling
29 days ago by guardiantech
The "father of Java":
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In Dan Farber's recent <a href="http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57423538-94/oracle-google-trial-puts-ex-sun-execs-on-opposite-sides/?tag=rb_content;contentBody">article on CNET titled "Oracle v. Google: Ex-Sun execs on opposite sides"</a> he got my position on the case totally backwards and totally misinterpreted my comments. Just because Sun didn't have patent suits in our genetic code doesn't mean we didn't feel wronged. While I have differences with Oracle, in this case they are in the right. Google totally slimed Sun. We were all really disturbed, even Jonathan: he just decided to put on a happy face and tried to turn lemons into lemonade, which annoyed a lot of folks at Sun.
29 days ago by guardiantech
Google and Oracle 'experts' clash over Android's Java mimic >> Wired.com
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4 weeks ago by guardiantech
The code used to run Java applications on Google’s Android operating system is “completely different” from the code that underpins Oracle’s Java platform, according to an expert witness called by Google in its ongoing court battle with Oracle over Android and Java.</p><p>
“The implementation code in Android is completely different than the implementation code in Java,” Duke University computer science professor Owen Astrachan said on Friday, though he added that the two use the same “method signatures,” code that defines the inputs and outputs for part of a computer program.</p><p>
...Astrachan’s testimony contrasted sharply with that of Stanford University processor John Mitchell, who was originally called by Oracle on Monday and returned to the stand on Friday. Mitchell said that at least in some cases, Google must have copied code from Oracle’s Java platform. “I don’t think there is any way [Google] could have come up with it on their own,” he said, when asked if he thought Google copied code for the Java application programming interfaces, or APIs.</p><p>
Google says Dalvik is a “clean room implementation,” meaning it was built from scratch. But Mitchell disagreed. “Whoever inserted that code into the codebase had access to it,” he said. “This wasn’t a clean room implementation.”
4 weeks ago by guardiantech
Oracle fails in bid to reincarnate dead Java patent >> Wired.com
Tough on Oracle, tough on the causes of.. This does show how messed up the US patents system is: patents can circle around, being granted, killed off, then revived.
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4 weeks ago by guardiantech
Federal Judge William Alsup has rejected Oracle’s attempt to reincarnate a dead Java patent in its attempt to prove that Google stole its intellectual property in building the Android mobile operating system.</p><p>
“Oracle’s argument that the patent ‘trial’ has not yet started is wrong,” Alsup’s ruling, filed late Wednesday, <a href="http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/wp-content/uploads//2012/04/Alsup-Ruling1.pdf">read</a> (PDF). “Oracle will be required to stand by its word and live with the dismissal with prejudice.”
Tough on Oracle, tough on the causes of.. This does show how messed up the US patents system is: patents can circle around, being granted, killed off, then revived.
4 weeks ago by guardiantech
Sun's Tim Bray on the day Sun released Java under GPL - "There will be lots of forks and I approve" >> Groklaw
Replacing Java in Android wouldn't have been impossible for Google, but it would have been very, very, very difficult. This long analysis of nothing-very-much also overlooks the fact that Bray has worked at Google for some years, so presumably could tell its lawyers exactly what parts of Java were GPLd and what weren't. (Thanks @modelportfolio2003 for the link.)
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5 weeks ago by guardiantech
So, Google was sincere in wanting to work with Sun. Sun? Apparently it had a more complicated position.</p><p>
But reading the exhibits, you see that an independent implementation was always viewed as possible by Google, Lindholm even mentioning one possibility, just not ideal. In fact, apparently someone in 2010 told Safra Katz of Oracle that maybe Google would just use something else, and this apparently seemed to disturb her, as on page 7 it says the "threat" to move off Java "hit her hard". Of course Google has the technical ability to do pretty much whatever it wants to take on. They're designing driverless cars and how to mine asteroids. I mean. Really. Replacing Java would be annoying but not impossible.</p>p>
But part of what Google was trying to make happen in 2009, as you can see on page 30, was getting Sun to "get Java more fully open sourced" which, by then was seen as urgent in that they thought Sun was "going to fail sometime soon." Why did Google care? Because, as one email that year in the same thread pointed out, Google was already highly invested in Java.
Replacing Java in Android wouldn't have been impossible for Google, but it would have been very, very, very difficult. This long analysis of nothing-very-much also overlooks the fact that Bray has worked at Google for some years, so presumably could tell its lawyers exactly what parts of Java were GPLd and what weren't. (Thanks @modelportfolio2003 for the link.)
5 weeks ago by guardiantech
Oracle's PDF summary to jury of first week's evidence >> Oracle
5 weeks ago by guardiantech
There's no commentary, but if you've been following the trial it's pretty clear what Oracle's lawyers are saying here. If anyone knows if Google has put up a similar summary, please give us a link.
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5 weeks ago by guardiantech
Oracle v Google round-up: The show so far >> The Register
5 weeks ago by guardiantech
Andrew Orlowski gives a good roundup of the first week.
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5 weeks ago by guardiantech
Oracle v. Google trial >> FOSS Patents
5 weeks ago by guardiantech
Amidst his analysis of the first days of the Oracle-Google trial, Florian Müller adds:
This will make him even more of a hate figure in Groklaw's comment threads, if that is possible. (People there won't admit to having read his blog, won't link to it, but denounce everything he does.) Müller has reckoned from the start that Google has a copyright infringement case to answer. Groklaw reckons Larry Ellison has a tail and smells of sulphur, and that Google walks on water and smells of roses.
Either way, it's up to the jury now.
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As an independent analyst and blogger, I will express only my own opinions, which cannot be attributed to any one of my diversity of clients. I often say things none of them would agree with. That said, as a believer in transparency I would like to inform you that Oracle has very recently become a consulting client of mine. We intend to work together for the long haul on mostly competition-related topics including, for one example, FRAND licensing terms.</p><p>
We've known each other ever since I vocally opposed Oracle's acquisition of Sun Microsystems (not because of Java), but that's history as I fully respect the European Commission's clearance decision and the subsequent closing of the deal.
This will make him even more of a hate figure in Groklaw's comment threads, if that is possible. (People there won't admit to having read his blog, won't link to it, but denounce everything he does.) Müller has reckoned from the start that Google has a copyright infringement case to answer. Groklaw reckons Larry Ellison has a tail and smells of sulphur, and that Google walks on water and smells of roses.
Either way, it's up to the jury now.
5 weeks ago by guardiantech
How Google was tripped up by a bad search >> Computerworld
5 weeks ago by guardiantech
October 2011:
Interesting backdrop to the trial now in process: the email at issue is known as the "Lindholm email", about alternatives to Java, in which Lindholm says "We conclude that we need to negotiate a license [sic] for Java under the terms we need." Google wanted the email kept out of the trial; Oracle fought, and won, to have it included.
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In the end it was a search that let Google down.</p><p>
The company suffered a setback in its patent dispute with Oracle last week when a U.S. judge denied Google's request to keep an internal Google email out of the case record. The email, written by a Google engineer, could suggest to a jury that Google knew it needed a license to use Sun's - now Oracle's - Java technology in Android.
Interesting backdrop to the trial now in process: the email at issue is known as the "Lindholm email", about alternatives to Java, in which Lindholm says "We conclude that we need to negotiate a license [sic] for Java under the terms we need." Google wanted the email kept out of the trial; Oracle fought, and won, to have it included.
5 weeks ago by guardiantech
Oracle and Google will go to trial >> CNET News
8 weeks ago by guardiantech
It's on:
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Last week, Magistrate Judge Paul S. Grewal asked both parties to give settlement talks another chance, with a decision required by April 9. Even though they had another week, it must have been clear that a settlement just isn't in the cards.
8 weeks ago by guardiantech
FOSS Patents: Oracle says each day's worth of Android activations generates $10 million in annual revenues for Google -- and strengthens Google+
Oracle is liberally taking Google at its word to generate the worst possible case for damages against it. Wonder if Google will try to play down the value of Android when this comes to trial?
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january 2012 by guardiantech
"Oracle's pleading also contains a very interesting portrayal of Google's Android-related business model and the economic value Android represents to Google, which is pertinent to Oracle's argument that its infringement lawsuit must be adjudicated at the earliest opportunity."
Oracle is liberally taking Google at its word to generate the worst possible case for damages against it. Wonder if Google will try to play down the value of Android when this comes to trial?
january 2012 by guardiantech
Judge criticizes Google and Oracle at hearing >> Reuters
july 2011 by guardiantech
Both Oracle and Google have taken unreasonable positions on the scale of damages involved in a high stakes patent battle over the Android operating system, a U.S. judge said in court.<br />
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"You're both asking for the moon and you should be more reasonable," U.S. District Judge William Alsup said in a testy hearing on Thursday.
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"You're both asking for the moon and you should be more reasonable," U.S. District Judge William Alsup said in a testy hearing on Thursday.
july 2011 by guardiantech
Judge: It's 'possible' Google knew of Java violation >> ITworld
july 2011 by guardiantech
"It "appears possible" that Google knew that its Android mobile operating system would violate Java patents held by Oracle, but decided to go ahead with the effort anyway, the judge overseeing the companies' intellectual property lawsuit said in a letter filed Tuesday."Judge William Alsup made the statement in connection with the so-called Daubert motion Google has filed in hopes of excluding the findings of Oracle's damages expert. Both sides have submitted briefs in connection with a hearing on the motion, which is scheduled for July 21."'In reading the Daubert briefing, it appears possible that early on Google recognized that it would infringe patents protecting at least part of Java, entered into negotiations with Sun [Microsystems] to obtain a license for use in Android, then abandoned the negotiations as too expensive, and pushed home with Android without any license at all,' Alsup wrote in the letter filed in US District Court for the Northern District of California."<br />
Hmm.
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Hmm.
july 2011 by guardiantech
Oracle is open about wanting billions of dollars from Google >> FOSS Patents
june 2011 by guardiantech
"[Last week] I concluded from a Google filing that Oracle seeks a billion-dollar amount in damages. [Now] Oracle filed a document that confirms this position in no uncertain terms.<br />
"Oracle opposes a Google motion to file its précis regarding damages under seal. Oracle "requests that the Court deny that motion and file Google’s précis in the public record." Oracle's opposition was successful and the relevant document is now in the public record. It's now known that those damages claims are in the range between $1.4bn and $6.1bn."<br />
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Though actually, Google has that sort of money sitting around in cash. So is it scared of something else following from it?
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"Oracle opposes a Google motion to file its précis regarding damages under seal. Oracle "requests that the Court deny that motion and file Google’s précis in the public record." Oracle's opposition was successful and the relevant document is now in the public record. It's now known that those damages claims are in the range between $1.4bn and $6.1bn."<br />
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Though actually, Google has that sort of money sitting around in cash. So is it scared of something else following from it?
june 2011 by guardiantech
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